i just don't get why the us is so afraid of social health care, and is so opposed to the canadian and british models.
the plain fact is that there are far more americans without access to health care than the combined populations of sweden, norway, denmark and finland.. a measure of the maturity of any society has to be how it sees fit to re-apportion its wealth.. we are quick to criticise african leaders who line their own pockets but leave the masses in poverty but cannot see that blindly following capitalist principles is much the same.
if we live in a wealthy society then part of that wealth has to be put back into society as a whole.. .
I have ALWAYS found it rediculous for representatives to sign bills they have not read
You didn't answer my questions. Name a bill. What bill have you posted about on a discussion board that you were against because your rep. hadn't read it?
Everyone agrees with the general concept of reading before signing. But, that has been happening for decades. Why is it suddenly discussion board news now...now that the bill in question is health care reform? Where was the outrage before?
i just don't get why the us is so afraid of social health care, and is so opposed to the canadian and british models.
the plain fact is that there are far more americans without access to health care than the combined populations of sweden, norway, denmark and finland.. a measure of the maturity of any society has to be how it sees fit to re-apportion its wealth.. we are quick to criticise african leaders who line their own pockets but leave the masses in poverty but cannot see that blindly following capitalist principles is much the same.
if we live in a wealthy society then part of that wealth has to be put back into society as a whole.. .
Those other things you mentioned are not that up close and personal to the average joe, but issues pertaining to income and health ARE.
Considering that under the Patriot Act, your neighbor could report false information about you to Homeland Security and you could be placed in an unknown location, incommunicado, for an extended period of time without you family/friends knowing what happened to you, I have to disagree with your assertion that healthcare is much more personal.
What it does demonstrate is that the "average Joe" is easily manipulated. Neither Dems nor Repubs wanted their constituents to read and understand the Patriot Act; therefore there were no "talking points" passed on for the Limbaughs of the world to rail against.
There IS a desire on the right, because of its historical ties to big business, to derail health care reform. Since the right doesn't have the votes in Congress, they have to use the "average Joe" as their pawns.
Do you remember "Joe the plumber" who campaigned FOR McCain and against Obama asserting that Obamaland would kill his business when, in fact, McCain's plan would harm him more?
i just don't get why the us is so afraid of social health care, and is so opposed to the canadian and british models.
the plain fact is that there are far more americans without access to health care than the combined populations of sweden, norway, denmark and finland.. a measure of the maturity of any society has to be how it sees fit to re-apportion its wealth.. we are quick to criticise african leaders who line their own pockets but leave the masses in poverty but cannot see that blindly following capitalist principles is much the same.
if we live in a wealthy society then part of that wealth has to be put back into society as a whole.. .
Exactly... and the system Congress is trying to pass without most of them having even read it! How does one trust that?
Hello Coffee-black. Why is it that the only time people seem to be bothered by not understanding the content of bills is when it has to do with healthcare?
Did you read the Patriot Act? Did you rail about Congress voting on it before they read it? Is there ANY OTHER bill in which you have EVER complained about your congressperson not reading it completely before voting on it besides health care reform? If not, why not?
I don't find that argument presented by those against health care reform to be particularly persuasive; in fact, I feel it to be a red herring.
i just don't get why the us is so afraid of social health care, and is so opposed to the canadian and british models.
the plain fact is that there are far more americans without access to health care than the combined populations of sweden, norway, denmark and finland.. a measure of the maturity of any society has to be how it sees fit to re-apportion its wealth.. we are quick to criticise african leaders who line their own pockets but leave the masses in poverty but cannot see that blindly following capitalist principles is much the same.
if we live in a wealthy society then part of that wealth has to be put back into society as a whole.. .
Hey guys, you think it's only the adverage citizen that is paranoid about Obamacare? How about asking Bill Gates what he thinks of it...
A quote from the article Yizuman posted:
"The foundation's decision to drastically reduce its exposure to health-related stocks is striking, as many of its charity grants have been disbursed to address developing country health issues. Its move comes against the background of anxiety among drugmakers and healthcare insurance firms about the potential impact of the Obama administration's proposed overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system, which could put pressure on prescription drug prices."
Yizuman, the article you posted supports that "Obamacare" will be successful and is a good thing. :) The chartity is pulling its stock, because Bill Gates understands that IF the prescription drug companies no longer monopolize the U.S. markets, they will less profitable, and their stock value will decrease. He wants the charity to get out now, while the stocks are at their highest, due to the drug companies' virtual monopoly.
This is one of the most resounded, bottom-line, demonstrations of support for "Obamacare" out there. Thank you for posting it.
i just don't get why the us is so afraid of social health care, and is so opposed to the canadian and british models.
the plain fact is that there are far more americans without access to health care than the combined populations of sweden, norway, denmark and finland.. a measure of the maturity of any society has to be how it sees fit to re-apportion its wealth.. we are quick to criticise african leaders who line their own pockets but leave the masses in poverty but cannot see that blindly following capitalist principles is much the same.
if we live in a wealthy society then part of that wealth has to be put back into society as a whole.. .
I have plenty of problems with being forced to support deadbeats and in addition to also support the deserving. Get deadbeats off the money train and then we can address whatever is the real needs of our deserving.
So, if I am understanding you correctly, you are not against giving, but to the truly needy only. How do you propose distinguishing betwen the two? And, is there an acceptable "deadbeat" level. For example, if we can get the deadbeats down to say 3 or 4%, is that a satisfactory level?
i just don't get why the us is so afraid of social health care, and is so opposed to the canadian and british models.
the plain fact is that there are far more americans without access to health care than the combined populations of sweden, norway, denmark and finland.. a measure of the maturity of any society has to be how it sees fit to re-apportion its wealth.. we are quick to criticise african leaders who line their own pockets but leave the masses in poverty but cannot see that blindly following capitalist principles is much the same.
if we live in a wealthy society then part of that wealth has to be put back into society as a whole.. .
It's comical really if it weren't so truly sad. Americans actually pay just as much in taxes as other more socialized countries in the world - but they get little in return. They have a mentality that says it's okay though - as long as you don't link it to the dreaded scary word - social.
I agree Sammieswife. Even in this debate, the average American seems unable to discern the difference between socialized healthcare (wherein the government OWNS and runs the hospitals) and social healthcare (wherein tax dollars are forwarded to PRIVATELY owned hospitals to pay for services).
And in response to the post that most people think their insurance is fine until they really need it, such was the basis of the hearings a few weeks ago that dealt with pre-existing conditions. All of those people thought their insurance was just fine until they developed a catastrophic illness and actually needed it. Then the insurers found truly evil ways of cutting their benefits.
As for the Post Office, I worked for them a little over a decade ago, and even then, they knew the INTERNET would likely reduce their ranks greatly or bankrupt them. And, just for the sake of accuracy, it should be noted that the Post Office is only a quasi-governmental agency.
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he is a long-time jw ministerial servant, and his wife had their second child one week ago.
both ffs are married; they are claiming it was/is an 'emotional affair' only.
this is his second 'emotional affair.
His wife became suspicious, and called the station to speak with a lieutenant to verify he was working the days (24 hour shifts) he said he was working. Apparently, there were multiple days he had told her he was working when he did not.
The lietenant confronted both parties, and it spread from there. Firehouses are worse than KHs for gossip.
q: what is your date of birth?.
a: july fifteenth.. q: what year?.
q: this myasthenia gravis does it affect your memory at all?.
This is an oldie, but goodie. If you like the quotes, you'll love this video!
this is a direct quote from the drama, if my source is correct..... "remember, nobody can really love you unless they know and love jehovah first.".
it gives me an idea for my next blog, but i want to quote this accurately.
your input is appreciated!
Jesus is certainly mentioned in every meeting in various ways, for he is our Exemplar, our Ransom, our Mediator
Uhmmm Spike: Are you aware that according to JW doctrine, unless you are of the annointed, Jesus is NOT your mediator?
JT
